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AMT



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HSE Dynamic P400 arriving next week- tips on using hybrid

Hi Guys,

Excellent forum like the disco 3 (which i still own)

Ordered my car in September and been told hopefully arrives next week. Can't wait Very Happy

Will be commuting circa 70 miles a day but would like to get most out of the hybrid technology without having access to a charging point whilst commuting.

So wanted to know if the battery charges during driving and braking like in a Lexus?


I was told by the dealer that even if I don't charge by plugging in there will always enough self regeneration and so battery left to ensure there is no impact on performance I.e. no reduction in bhp. Is that true? This is on the assumption that no battery charge means less bhp.

Thanks in advance guys. Range Rover Sport HSE Dynamic P400E on order.

Post #590074 Fri Nov 08 2019 1:14am
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Garry



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Yes, the battery does charge when you take your foot off the accelerator and when you brake. Ive had mine a year and never not had the power if needed, even when the battery is at 0-2%. So far as your commute is concerned, first put your journey into Sat Nav and use it. The system is supposed to adjust engine/battery power based on things like inclines, traffic, fast roads etc. So far, I have not achieved more than 23 miles of electric travel on a full charge and that is with regeneration charging too.

I have taken this up with Land Rover and the car has been checked. Land Rover just say its up to 31 miles or was when I ordered mine. So technically they are correct as 23 is upto 31 but it has left a bad taste.

I plan to write and post a 1 year review soon. 2019 RRS PHEV - Indus

Post #590191 Sun Nov 10 2019 11:20am
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Tim in Scotland



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Less in winter on freezing mornings too unless the car has battery conditioning, but the claimed versus actual us a bone of contention with all PHEV’s . Make sure also that you use the park heat function while plugged into the mains as heating the car on the journey also reduces driving range drastically.
Mine has claimed 26 miles on a full charge, I’m lucky to see 22 after a warm summer’s day and a full charge gives 14-16 miles on a cold morning. Charge range is a bigger con than the old Official MPG was. 2018 Melting Silver Mini Countryman PHEV - a test car before Seeing if I could go to totally Petrol/Diesel free motoring
2015MY Corris Grey SDv6 HSE Dynamic, the best car I have ever owned, totally reliable only a cou0le of rattles in 3 years, now no longer in my care
Also in my garage is a 1996 TDi300 Defender 90 County HT made into a fake CSW

Post #590205 Sun Nov 10 2019 4:11pm
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Renaco



Member Since: 28 Jul 2011
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Re: HSE Dynamic P400 arriving next week- tips on using hybri

AMT wrote:

I was told by the dealer that even if I don't charge by plugging in there will always enough self regeneration and so battery left to ensure there is no impact on performance I.e. no reduction in bhp. Is that true? This is on the assumption that no battery charge means less bhp.


It’s true, the battery is never empty.

But if you push the car at longer trips with an 0-3% Battery Level then you just get the power of the the ICE and nothing (only a very small amount) of the Electric engine.

I had a P400e for more than 30.000 mls on German highways and tried all scenarios while using it for long business trips.
At the highway with 0 battery it was unbalanced and loud to drive fast, the petrol engine where forced too much and the car felt like 200hp in a 3ton car.

But don’t worry, the drivetrain works fine, as long as used in regions with limited top-speed. The breaking delivers a small regen Energy, for overtaking.
As there is no other backfill by driving in regular mode, once empty it recharges not more than 3%.

If you need to refill the Battery while driving, you can put the car in mud-ruts mode and the battery gets up to 20% loaded while driving. This is not official, it’s a function I found while checking everything during the ownership.

In summary you get a useful drivetrain if you commute every day with full battery’s and plug in as often you can. The drivetrain is also very quiet in hybrid mode, if you don’t use more than 60-70% of the power.
Annoying was for me once the petrol engine kicked in at cold temperatures, it where louder than a diesel until it warmed up. This is a big contrast to the mostly silent ride.

I remember the best moments with the P400e where going fully electric off-road, this was always impressive and is not to beat by any other experience off-road.

Best
René 2012 RRS HSE SDV6, BOURNVILLE 12/12-10/14
2015 RRS DYNAMIC HYBRID, CAUSEWAY GREY 1/15-7/18
2018 RRS DYNAMIC P400e, BRITISH RACING GREEN 8/18-8/19
2019 RRS DYNAMIC P525, SILICON SILVER 8/19-

Post #590268 Mon Nov 11 2019 8:45pm
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Renaco



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Hi AMT

Hope your car arrived as suggested and you enjoyed the first full electric tours in silence!
Please let us know your impressions and a picture would be great... Wink

Have a great Sunday! 2012 RRS HSE SDV6, BOURNVILLE 12/12-10/14
2015 RRS DYNAMIC HYBRID, CAUSEWAY GREY 1/15-7/18
2018 RRS DYNAMIC P400e, BRITISH RACING GREEN 8/18-8/19
2019 RRS DYNAMIC P525, SILICON SILVER 8/19-

Post #590511 Sun Nov 17 2019 12:35pm
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ghunkin



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Had my P400 just over a year now and as previous posts state,I've never had more than 23 miles on electric - but you have to really work hard to get that with anticipating lights, traffic etc. Same experience when queried with Land Rover dealer - we only said up to 31 miles!
Also, I've never been able to use the pre-heat function without it taking 5-10% of the battery charge - even with preserve range selected.Again, dealer says this is normal.
Again, in sub-zero weather I get 14-17 miles.
Learn to feather the accelerator to keep the charge power needle at zero if you want gain momentum downhill - the regenerative braking is very heavy even on steep hills.

That said, I absolutely love the car as I rarely drive more than 20 mile journeys and can do so in perfect comfort and silence.
In recent snow I also had the pleasure of driving around cars, trucks and buses stuck going up steep hills being able to stop,ask if they were ok and then pull away again with perfect traction in electric mode - something many other hybrid SUV cars can't do as the electric only powers 2 wheels. Very Happy

If you can tolerate the wild claims of 31 miles being a complete falsehood, you will love this car. Thumbs Up

Post #596919 Tue Mar 24 2020 1:05am
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timhum



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My P400 has a 3L petrol engine, no electric motors at all, should I complain to Land Rover?

Tim Tim
RRS P400 HSE Portofino Blue, Ivory Interior, Glass Roof, Meridian Sound, Heated Steering Wheel, Spacesaver, Extended Leather Pack.

Post #596959 Tue Mar 24 2020 6:41pm
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ilard



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Yes. I mean no. It would be a good idea if this thread could be renamed P400e so that we don't confuse future visitors.

In terms of the P400e drive train, I also love it. In all my replies on this topic I callout the superior start/stop experience. To pull up on electric and pull off on electric even as the petrol kicks in shortly afterwards, it makes the start stop experience very smooth. And the P400e has plenty of grunt for everyday driving, kind of like the torque of a diesel (well, nearly) and from zero RPM which helps enormously, plus the free revving nature of a perky petrol. I specced the active rear locking diff and it lights up like a Christmas tree a lot of the time, so it's definitely being used, maybe it's due to the torque.

Economy is pretty terrible if you're not making full use of electric range, so I would not call it an economy drive train. Just a very nicely balanced one between performance and smooth progress. My residents parking permit is £20 a year (down from £180 a year), but my insurance stings at £1500 a year (high risk post code, no drive, full NCB), double my prior RRS diesel.

If they ever reopen the factory people should defo order a P400e! L405 P400e Autobiography (MY2020)... Silicon Silver / Espresso
RRS TDV6 HSE Lux (MY2011)... Nara Bronze / Arabica - now gone!

Post #596962 Tue Mar 24 2020 7:22pm
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