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Tim in Scotland



Member Since: 30 May 2005
Location: Driving along in my automobile
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2013 Range Rover Sport SDV6 HSE Stornoway Grey

Yes and at long last clunky InControl Touch Pro is now dead and replaced by something with a name I cannot pronounce! 2018 Melting Silver Mini Countryman PHEV - a test car before Seeing if I could go to totally Petrol/Diesel free motoring
2015MY Corris Grey SDv6 HSE Dynamic, the best car I have ever owned, totally reliable only a cou0le of rattles in 3 years, now no longer in my care
Also in my garage is a 1996 TDi300 Defender 90 County HT made into a fake CSW

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DangerMouseUK



Member Since: 16 Jul 2016
Location: London
Posts: 265

United Kingdom 2013 Range Rover Sport Supercharged Santorini Black

Is that the new Pivi Pro system?

How many systems are they going to introduce lol.

Fully spec'd ones are 80k !!!!

Not sure about that at all.

Even waiting 6 months for a decent discount and its still not tempting !!

I get it, I do, but for what I do, the Range Rover line suits me a lot better, I don't think these look right for Central London, but I forsee loads of them appearing.

Oh wait the 90 isn't immediately available just the 110, and if you want the 3litre engine, have to get the 78k base price X.

Umm, still not getting it. Am I missing something here? Range Rover Sport MY20 SVR

Post #586698 Tue Sep 10 2019 11:22pm
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jim4244



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England 2013 Range Rover Sport SDV6 HSE Santorini Black

I had been waiting for the unveiling and had planned to buy one if I liked it and, from what I have seen, I do like it. I even sold my L494 and began using my old 2005 TD6 Vogue “Dog Car” as my daily drive so that at the unveil I would be in a position to order a new Defender without the hassle of a trade in.

The price is way, way over the top. I expected a price range from £30k to 60k. Maybe I was being unrealistic but I personally would find it hard to buy a Defender for Range Rover money.

From my various travels I think that global recession wise we are once again at the very top of the rollercoaster and about to begin the trip down. This, along with all the uncertainty regarding current and future fuel to power cars had persuaded me to sit back for another year to see what happens.

From chatting with a good friend who is a car dealer he let slip that many people who take out a PCP on a car and keep it for the full term are now finding themselves in negative equity. I have been in that position with houses during previous recessions and don’t want to repeat it with a car.

Just my thoughts but I do like the look of the new Defender just not the outrageous price.

Jim

Post #586703 Wed Sep 11 2019 4:38am
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naks



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South Africa 2013 Range Rover Sport Supercharged Siberian Silver

here's a link to the brochure, with all dimensions/capabilities, etc.: https://www.landrover.co.za/Images/Land-Ro...715173.pdf --
2010 Defender Puma 90 + BAS remap + Alive IC + Slickshift + Ashcroft ATB rear
2015 Range Rover Sport Supercharged V8 HSE Dynamic



Defender Puma Workshop Manual: https://bit.ly/2zZ1en9
Discovery 4 Workshop Manual: https://bit.ly/2zXrtKO
Range Rover/Sport L320/L322/L494 Workshop Manual: https://bit.ly/2zc58JQ

Post #586708 Wed Sep 11 2019 7:48am
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jimbg



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2013 Range Rover Sport SDV6 HSE Orkney Grey

jim4244 wrote:


From chatting with a good friend who is a car dealer he let slip that many people who take out a PCP on a car and keep it for the full term are now finding themselves in negative equity. I have been in that position with houses during previous recessions and don’t want to repeat it with a car.

Just my thoughts but I do like the look of the new Defender just not the outrageous price.

Jim


I have always bought my cars and have never used PCP. I thought there was a guaranteed final value and if the car was worth less you could just walk away?

Or am I missing something here, would not be the first time! Laughing 2017 Discovery 3.0 HSE Silicon Silver Nimbus interior and a few extra toys

2013 HSE Black, Orkney Grey, Ebony Seats and Ivory Interior SOLD

Post #586709 Wed Sep 11 2019 7:54am
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timhum



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You are correct, on PCP there is a guaranteed future value and you cannot have negative equity. It may be that purchasers think there car will be worth more than the future value at maturity of the contract and hence have positive equity, they are then disappointed to find that this isn't the fact.
Tim Tim
RRS P400 HSE Portofino Blue, Ivory Interior, Glass Roof, Meridian Sound, Heated Steering Wheel, Spacesaver.

Post #586716 Wed Sep 11 2019 9:25am
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naks



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South Africa 2013 Range Rover Sport Supercharged Siberian Silver

The Lego was also launched yesterday: https://www.facebook.com/LEGOTechnic/videos/515831112323283/?t=32

with AWD, a proper hi-low transfer case, IFS, working winch!!!

SWAMBO is thrilled, can't wait to order it! --
2010 Defender Puma 90 + BAS remap + Alive IC + Slickshift + Ashcroft ATB rear
2015 Range Rover Sport Supercharged V8 HSE Dynamic



Defender Puma Workshop Manual: https://bit.ly/2zZ1en9
Discovery 4 Workshop Manual: https://bit.ly/2zXrtKO
Range Rover/Sport L320/L322/L494 Workshop Manual: https://bit.ly/2zc58JQ

Post #586718 Wed Sep 11 2019 10:12am
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BKHK



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Australia 2013 Range Rover Sport Supercharged Fuji White

Oh dear....

The 110 looks like a shoe box on alloys. The 90 has decent proportions but in the Hammond launch, he refers to it as a supercomputer on wheels.

Since JLR can't even design a decent infotainment system that works as advertised, more electronics does not bode well. No manual option. Air suspension on a Defender? JLR Can't help themselves.

JLR had an opportunity to go back to basics and design something rugged and reliable. Farmer Giles will soon be Censored off with taking this to the dealer.

Probably great for taking Tarquin and Anastasia to their pwivate school though, a bit different to all those common Wangies.

This just drove up the values of "real" Defenders. 18 F80 M3 ZCP
13 A4 Allroad - daily runaround car
2017 V8 SC - Gone after 11 months of ownership from new. Great engine surrounded by cheaply made parts.
2010 RRS V8 Petrol
2015 M3
2014 X6
2013 X5
2009 RRS 2.7
2008 RRS 2.7

Post #586720 Wed Sep 11 2019 10:32am
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naks



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South Africa 2013 Range Rover Sport Supercharged Siberian Silver

From an interview with Gerry McGovern: https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/motor-s...iving-icon


Quote:
“My hope is they say it’s right for the brand today. Yes, lots of current owners will keep their current cars forever – but to be brutally business-like about it, there’s not much point designing a car for them in that case, is there?

“This vehicle has to appeal to an all-new generation of customers. I don’t want to alienate traditionalists but we couldn’t just design this car for them. We have paid respect to what’s gone before but to be harnessed by it would be suicide.


“This is a business and the old Defender, at the end of its life, was a niche vehicle. Take out corporate sales and it had around 4500 retail customers a year. That is not sustainable. This car needs to have universal appeal.
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2010 Defender Puma 90 + BAS remap + Alive IC + Slickshift + Ashcroft ATB rear
2015 Range Rover Sport Supercharged V8 HSE Dynamic



Defender Puma Workshop Manual: https://bit.ly/2zZ1en9
Discovery 4 Workshop Manual: https://bit.ly/2zXrtKO
Range Rover/Sport L320/L322/L494 Workshop Manual: https://bit.ly/2zc58JQ

Post #586721 Wed Sep 11 2019 10:36am
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Hog



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Netherlands 2011 Range Rover Sport 3.0 TDV6 HSE Baltic Blue

What a rubbish! JLR could have learned with its iconic Defender from other iconic brands like Porsche (911) and BMW (twin engine motor cycles). They went in this sort of adventure unsuccesfully decades ago and returned to their roots.
A new Defender could i.e. be an (cheaper) alternative for the iconic Mercedes G-wagon, but no, JLR is following a diffent road.
They are wrong! The Germans got it right! LR 3 HSE V8 gone
DiscoveryII V8 Gone
Discovery 1 V8 Gone
Mustang Shelby
Alfa Guilia (classic)

Post #586723 Wed Sep 11 2019 11:28am
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naks



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South Africa 2013 Range Rover Sport Supercharged Siberian Silver

Some more detailed technical information from this Oz article: https://www.whichcar.com.au/ne...over-defender-50-facts-figures

A few salient ones:

14 - Defender's electrics gets IP67 electrical rating
The electronics and connections in the new Defender have been designed to meet the IP67 water immersion standards. That means they can be submerged in one metre of fresh water for an hour without intrusion or damage.

31 - Bullbar
Land Rover has developed a ’roo bar specifically for Australia. To be made of steel, the bar will be offered as an accessory, keeping intact all sensors and safety systems. The ’roo bar will be revealed closer to the car’s June 2020 on-sale date.

34 - Crawl time
The Defender has an impressively low crawl ratio of 51.5:1 for diesel versions and 57.2:1 for the six-cylinder petrol.

45 - Stopping power
There is no mechanical link between the brake pedal and the brake discs. Instead the Defender gets a brake-by-wire system claimed to provide more “precise, linear brake pressures”. Engineers also say the electronic braking system helps with off-road traction due to the ability to better regulate braking to each individual wheel.

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2010 Defender Puma 90 + BAS remap + Alive IC + Slickshift + Ashcroft ATB rear
2015 Range Rover Sport Supercharged V8 HSE Dynamic



Defender Puma Workshop Manual: https://bit.ly/2zZ1en9
Discovery 4 Workshop Manual: https://bit.ly/2zXrtKO
Range Rover/Sport L320/L322/L494 Workshop Manual: https://bit.ly/2zc58JQ

Post #586725 Wed Sep 11 2019 11:45am
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naks



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South Africa 2013 Range Rover Sport Supercharged Siberian Silver

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2010 Defender Puma 90 + BAS remap + Alive IC + Slickshift + Ashcroft ATB rear
2015 Range Rover Sport Supercharged V8 HSE Dynamic



Defender Puma Workshop Manual: https://bit.ly/2zZ1en9
Discovery 4 Workshop Manual: https://bit.ly/2zXrtKO
Range Rover/Sport L320/L322/L494 Workshop Manual: https://bit.ly/2zc58JQ

Post #586770 Wed Sep 11 2019 9:40pm
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Hog



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Netherlands 2011 Range Rover Sport 3.0 TDV6 HSE Baltic Blue

S Rolling with laughter Sounds like a vacuum cleaner seller. LR 3 HSE V8 gone
DiscoveryII V8 Gone
Discovery 1 V8 Gone
Mustang Shelby
Alfa Guilia (classic)

Post #586789 Thu Sep 12 2019 12:33pm
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What's in the fridge?



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United Kingdom 2008 Range Rover Sport TDV8 HSE Buckingham Blue

naks wrote:
https://youtu.be/ZbiHyKfw1IM

Lasted about a minute Thud 2008 TDV8 Buckingham Blue

Post #586790 Thu Sep 12 2019 12:51pm
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RRSman



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I think it's a fantastic reincarnation and have ordered a First Edition. Don't really need all those expensive packs as won't be going offroad so just added the wheel arch extensions, rear wheel cover and bonet decal from the accessories catalogue - price is under £65k which is not bad IMHO.

Generally people are loving them - never seen so many positive comments on social media and pistonheads - JLR seem to have got this one right for a change. The media seem to like it too.

I will be interested to see what comes from the stable next - maybe a RRS coupe as everyone else seems to be at the coupe bandwagon GLE, Cayenne, X4/X6 Question

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