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rickshaw



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United Kingdom 2013 Range Rover Sport SDV6 HSE Santorini Black
PCP Final Payment

Probably a very silly question with an obvious answer BUT I currently have a P400HST on a PCP Finance deal ending in October. Sadly it would appear that the market value of the car is likely to be significantly less than the optional Final payment. In many ways I would like to keep the car but am reluctant to pay more than its worth.... (I could almost afford an SVR instead Rolling with laughter ) Does anyone know if Land Rover Finance (Black Horse) may be prepared to negotiate on the Final payment charge (as presumably if I return the car it will go for auction and possibly fetch a LOT less).
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Post #648638 Tue Jul 01 2025 9:36am
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41jules1967



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Never been in that situation but a conversation can't do any harm.
As you say, if they refuse, they get less, so it's in their interests to do a deal.
You will still probably have to pay more than the trade value for it but if you've had it from new and have looked after it, it's very much better the devil you know. 2021 L494 D300MHEV Autobiography
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Post #648640 Tue Jul 01 2025 10:21am
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Farmer Chalk



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You also have the absolute right to complete a voluntary return. Providing you have completed over 50% of the financial agreement (finances not time) you are totally entitled to return the car to the finance house without any further payment provided you are still within the original mileage terms as agreed..
This has no bearing on your credit rating. I have done it numerous times as it makes an SVR on high mileage totally affordable particularly as they have suffered dreadfully financially.
It is legislation so they cannot argue.. Read your finance agreement!

My last few cars I have used for business I have voluntarily returned.. ( you don’t get any money back but you also don’t take a kicking through no fault of your own) . My replacement car was financed subsequently in the same manner by the same finance company…

It is a legal right…

Your old car then enters the second hand market in the usual way for you to find and purchase for considerably less…

Post #648656 Tue Jul 01 2025 11:31pm
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rickshaw



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Thanks for your comments.
Certainly nothing to lose by talking to LR Finance - they can only say no.
I am more than happy to keep the car until the end of the Agreement. If I do then send it back is there an easy way of finding out where it ends up being on sale?

Post #648658 Wed Jul 02 2025 1:43pm
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41jules1967



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They'll probably tell you, but many of these sales are dealer only so you may not be allowed in to bid. 2021 L494 D300MHEV Autobiography
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Post #648681 Thu Jul 03 2025 10:48am
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41jules1967



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Farmer Chalk wrote:
You also have the absolute right to complete a voluntary return. Providing you have completed over 50% of the financial agreement (finances not time) you are totally entitled to return the car to the finance house without any further payment provided you are still within the original mileage terms as agreed..
This has no bearing on your credit rating. I have done it numerous times as it makes an SVR on high mileage totally affordable particularly as they have suffered dreadfully financially.
It is legislation so they cannot argue.. Read your finance agreement!

My last few cars I have used for business I have voluntarily returned.. ( you don’t get any money back but you also don’t take a kicking through no fault of your own) . My replacement car was financed subsequently in the same manner by the same finance company…

It is a legal right…

Your old car then enters the second hand market in the usual way for you to find and purchase for considerably less…


Everything you say is certainly true
As you say, doesn't affect your credit score but I've always wondered whether the same finance company would entertain you again?
There are 2 very valid approaches. Buy new, keep for 2-4 years and get out as cheaply as you can. This works well I guess if you have a company allowance to spend. But if it's your own tax paid money, I've never thought it that simple.
To me, the focus is to limit the depreciation. This rules out new as they lose a fortune the moment you roll off the lot, even if it's lessened by the finance company taking a hit.

I buy 1-2 year old cars and then keep them until they start to give grief or are potentially going to. (Yes I know my RRS is 4 but every previous car has been 1-2 and I simply couldn't justify the cost of a 2 year old RRS)
In the case of mine, the way I see it, I have a car that looks, drives and even smells like new. I have a non prefix plate so to most people it just is. Most normal people look at the new price, or lease cost, realise it's out of reach and to them it's just a dream car, never thinking, it's actually affordable if you do it right.
I have a friend who leases a 24 plate Q5. His dream car is an RRS but he can't afford one. He pays more each month than I do!

It came with 2 years LR warranty and cost me 1/2 of new list.
My plan is to keep it for around 10 years as I have with my previous cars.
So for example, my last car, a Jag XF-S - bought 2 years old in 2014, again with 2 years warranty (which I never used). Put 130,000 miles on it over those 11 years and over that time, repair costs were around £1k.
To drive and look at, it was nearly new. A few weeks back I asked a passenger how old they thought it was - they reckoned 4 or 5. Looked after, a quality car doesn't date.
Depreciation wise, I paid just shy of half new cost at £26k and traded it in (in something of a hurry) for a paltry £1,500 as I knew it had suddenly developed some potentially expensive issues.
So a trouble free 3.0 V6 Jag sports Saloon for £42 a week.
Before that I ran a top end Mercedes E Class (bought @ 11 months old) for 10 years - worked out at £44 a week.
People pay considerably more, leasing a Ford Fiesta.

Of course you need to be able to run them properly too (no skimping on maintenance), but if the odd £1k bill doesn't worry you, it's a very cheap way to run some truly fabulous cars. 2021 L494 D300MHEV Autobiography
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