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donny dog



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This change is the main reason I decided to get a new RRS for March delivery as it makes quite a difference over the 5 years I expect to keep the car (you have to keep a car many years more than that to break even). However, I don't think it's been very well publicised or understood.

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Tim in Scotland



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If LR manages to register it before 2359 on 31 March then you will save £1550 in "luxury car tax" over the first 5 years but may loose out with the higher current VED (I don't know what an SDv8's emission are offhand) 2020 Pangea Green 1st Edition D240 New Defender 110 is here and loving it
2018 Melting Silver Mini Countryman PHEV - soon to be replaced
2015MY Corris Grey SDv6 HSE Dynamic, the best car I have ever owned, totally reliable only a cou0le of rattles in 3 years, now no longer in my care
Also in my garage is a 1996 TDi300 Defender 90 County HT made into a fake CSW

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donny dog



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....or 'envy tax' as I've seen it called! Rolling Eyes

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donny dog



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Tim in Scotland wrote:
If LR manages to register it before 2359 on 31 March then you will save £1550 in "luxury car tax" over the first 5 years but may loose out with the higher current VED (I don't know what an SDv8's emission are offhand)


It falls in the 201 to 225 CO2 band. I did a calculation a while ago based on tax figures quoted in the paper and it worked out at £560 more in year 1, £160 more in years 2 to 6, and £150 less thereafter. So, after 3 years you would be £880 worse off, after 5 years down £1,200, and after 10 years down £760. You would have to keep the car 12 years to be better off under the new system. Compared directly with the SDV8, an SDV6 would be £800 cheaper over 5 years (albeit still dearer than now), while a S/C petrol V8 would be yet another £1,535!

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Tim in Scotland



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So big incentive to buy a Tesla P90D with Ludicruous mode instead of an SVR with a noisey exhaust note and a few options.

Just watched another Nissan Leaf being winched onto a recovery truck in the layby behind my house - I bet that it ran out of charge like most of them seem to, despite our local town having a lot of charging points. I bet they are all taken up by selfish folks with PHEVS who can still run on their engine............. Rolling with laughter 2020 Pangea Green 1st Edition D240 New Defender 110 is here and loving it
2018 Melting Silver Mini Countryman PHEV - soon to be replaced
2015MY Corris Grey SDv6 HSE Dynamic, the best car I have ever owned, totally reliable only a cou0le of rattles in 3 years, now no longer in my care
Also in my garage is a 1996 TDi300 Defender 90 County HT made into a fake CSW


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SVR575



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So Tim a new SVR will still be £800 more than SDV8 Diesel. SVR 2018 in Santorini Black.

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Tim in Scotland



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Yep, will hold on to my SDv6 until the Jaguar i-Pace gets closer. Rumour has it that it won't need Ludicruous mode as in standard form it will out haul both an RRS SVR and an F Type SVR at the traffic light Grand Prix................. all for a £5 recharge and no VED (and doubtless as much range on a full charge as either of them!)! 2020 Pangea Green 1st Edition D240 New Defender 110 is here and loving it
2018 Melting Silver Mini Countryman PHEV - soon to be replaced
2015MY Corris Grey SDv6 HSE Dynamic, the best car I have ever owned, totally reliable only a cou0le of rattles in 3 years, now no longer in my care
Also in my garage is a 1996 TDi300 Defender 90 County HT made into a fake CSW

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Jimbo095



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All vehicles, including 100% electric will pay the £310 supplement for the first 5 years when 'standard' duty is required. To me this implies years 2-6 of the vehicle's life although there is some ambiguity out there. The winners (long term) are the two current highest bands, they break even far quicker then pay only £140 per year for the life of the car after the £310 supplement comes to an end. So two cars, one registerd in March 2017, the other April 2017 pay £515 and £140 respectively for the rest of the life of the vehicle.

Incidentally an SVR is £880 more in year one, the new buyer is clobbered with that charge.. From year two a post April car is £65 cheaper p.a., then £375 cheaper after 5/6 years, depending where you read the guidelines! So, being annually (not overall) lower road tax every year from year two, the psychological benefits do it for me, plus I think used buyers will actively seek post April cars, certainly as time passes and gets nearer to paying £140 instead of £515. To me that potential difference will be more than the initial additional £880 so I personally would wait and pay the extra if could. I win if I keep the car long term and at minimum should at least find it easier to sell than a pre April car. I don't see dealers pricing them differently so if you're a 'part exchanger' it probably pays to have a pre April car and pocket the £880..

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Tyrefitter



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Tim in Scotland wrote:
Yes just read that bit on the link. I've edited my post and made a comment about TDV8's car and if you buy a new PHEV you will have to pay full VED after April 1st.......... only purely Electric cars will pay no annual VED and no 1st registration fee


That's true till everyone buys PHEV then they will hike the price up.

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SVR575



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jumbo the highest tax you will pay is £450 i thought so where are you getting the £515 figure? SVR 2018 in Santorini Black.

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Jimbo095



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£515 being the current and pre April rate for the svr and other vehicles in the same band...

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