I don't see the issue in a dealer not having a landline.

My mate trade from home and just uses a mobile, he always give a 3 month warranty which can be extend to 12 months at extra cost. He seems to do ok...

These cars are complex and fussy about maintenance. A new RRS is about £85 grand so the parts for older cars are related to the current car's price. e.g. bloody expensive.

Just because they have now fallen in value to under £15 to buy doesn't mean you're driving a cheap car as any repair relates to the new car price.

This all means that a one man motor trader operating from home or a small business trader could easily expect a warranty bill of £2k or more. If you think that wouldn't send them running for the hills (or turning their mobile off) you need your head read.

Unless you have considerable motor engineering knowledge; I used to run a Ford dealership and I wouldn't dream of buying one of these cars from any other than a substantial business whose cash-flow can easily afford the cost of any warranty work.

Stick to LR dealers or independents who specialise in LRs or 4x4s and have been around for a while, have workshops and MoT capabilities at the minimum - else there will be "tears before bedtime".

RRS Daz wrote:

I don't see the issue in a dealer not having a landline.

My mate trade from home and just uses a mobile, he always give a 3 month warranty which can be extend to 12 months at extra cost. He seems to do ok...

drdelrrs wrote:

These cars are complex and fussy about maintenance. A new RRS is about £85 grand so the parts for older cars are related to the current car's price. e.g. bloody expensive.

Just because they have now fallen in value to under £15 to buy doesn't mean you're driving a cheap car as any repair relates to the new car price.

This all means that a one man motor trader operating from home or a small business trader could easily expect a warranty bill of £2k or more. If you think that wouldn't send them running for the hills (or turning their mobile off) you need your head read.

Unless you have considerable motor engineering knowledge; I used to run a Ford dealership and I wouldn't dream of buying one of these cars from any other than a substantial business whose cash-flow can easily afford the cost of any warranty work.

Stick to LR dealers or independents who specialise in LRs or 4x4s and have been around for a while, have workshops and MoT capabilities at the minimum - else there will be "tears before bedtime".

Why quote £87 grand, a TDV6 Sport SE was £38 grand in 2005, so older ones at £15 k today have kept their value well, my V8 was £59,609 in 2007, and worth 18 today, a much harder hit.
I have bought high value cars from Curb side Motors but spent time doing research, spoken to the previous owner from log book and never had a problem unless it involved cars from the far end of M4 over the Severn Bridge where the national sport is tucking up the English  2x TDV6. SE and HSE. Both returned to sender with issues👀
TDV8 Sport HSE...... Gone. Loved it but it didn't love me!!
Now rolling in MY10 Fullfat TDV8 Vogue. Slammed it to go round corners🙈
Cruising daily #56 mph in a Volvo V8. 😱
Lots of other toys in the cupboard...😜

^^^ Simple1 - We all have our opinions - I just gave you mine; ignore it if you want I'm not about to throw my toys out of the cot if you or indeed everyone disagrees.

The reason for my quoting the £80k+ price tag is because that's the price to which new parts will relate and hence the cost of present day repairs. The current cost of an older car is not relevant to the parts pricing. If you're unlucky to have an engine failure and turbocharger indigestion (and, despite the horror stories, its really is very, very rare) the replacement parts will reflect the cost LR thinks the market will bear today.

drdelrrs wrote:

These cars are complex and fussy about maintenance. A new RRS is about £85 grand so the parts for older cars are related to the current car's price. e.g. bloody expensive.

Just because they have now fallen in value to under £15 to buy doesn't mean you're driving a cheap car as any repair relates to the new car price.

This all means that a one man motor trader operating from home or a small business trader could easily expect a warranty bill of £2k or more. If you think that wouldn't send them running for the hills (or turning their mobile off) you need your head read.

Unless you have considerable motor engineering knowledge; I used to run a Ford dealership and I wouldn't dream of buying one of these cars from any other than a substantial business whose cash-flow can easily afford the cost of any warranty work.

Stick to LR dealers or independents who specialise in LRs or 4x4s and have been around for a while, have workshops and MoT capabilities at the minimum - else there will be "tears before bedtime".

Also are we saying the land rovers are better quality when purchased from a main dealer? Because the other day the majority said main dealer history is worth no more than an indy service.

We also know LR love to get out of warranty claims so people prefer say warranty wise contracts (which is what my mate provides) so even the back up of the LR warranty is worthless.

Yep you're all right there are some good one-man car dealers out there.

Once being in the trade myself (that's where I started and I still have many mates who do very well thank you) - interestingly many stay away from retailing LR products that come their way and tend to move them on via the auction ring even if it appears excellent because of the financial exposure); its a bit of a lottery like most things.

Bear in mind that your legal rights are only with the seller - a warranty company helps a seller underwrite some of his/her risks. But at the end of the day its the one-man seller who stands behind the car he/she retailed and if they ain't got any cash reserves or workshops facilities you can't get bold from a stone.

It's common for a trader to blame the warranty company and say "Sorry mate but, its not covered you're on your own ..." which because most buyers do not know their rights is accepted as gospel but it isn't actually correct - nothing, even in writing, can take away your consumer rights.

Awhile ago I bought a TDV8 which gave a bunch of hassle; it was returned to dealer who was able to buy it back immediately because they had the £50k in cash reserves which because they'd bought my car as P/X meant a short term cash flow of £85k - there are some guys I know who could cover this amount but I doubt many one-man traders could take that sort of hit yet the UK's consumer law says that within 30 days you can reject a vehicle !

Either way I'll shut up now

drdelrrs wrote:

^^^ Simple1 - We all have our opinions - I just gave you mine; ignore it if you want I'm not about to throw my toys out of the cot if you or indeed everyone disagrees.

The reason for my quoting the £80k+ price tag is because that's the price to which new parts will relate and hence the cost of present day repairs. The current cost of an older car is not relevant to the parts pricing. If you're unlucky to have an engine failure and turbocharger indigestion (and, despite the horror stories, its really is very, very rare) the replacement parts will reflect the cost LR thinks the market will bear today.

Not quite understand why you would think I was having a go, didn't even think you were expressing an opinion, just questioning your logic which as far as I know isn't a crime or in fact a reason to throw toys unless you are actually trying to pick a fight.
Your claim about engine and turbo failures is way off, majority of failures don't reach the net because LR demand silence in exchange for help. Probably fair to say higher percentage of failures than most makes 2x TDV6. SE and HSE. Both returned to sender with issues👀
TDV8 Sport HSE...... Gone. Loved it but it didn't love me!!
Now rolling in MY10 Fullfat TDV8 Vogue. Slammed it to go round corners🙈
Cruising daily #56 mph in a Volvo V8. 😱
Lots of other toys in the cupboard...😜

^^^ " ...Your claim about engine and turbo failures is way off, majority of failures don't reach the net because LR demand silence in exchange for help. Probably fair to say higher percentage of failures than most makes..."

3 points
1. Don't believe I'm "way off". In my Auto-engineering and fleet management software design experience engine and turbo failures are very, very rare. (e.g. <0.001%)
2. Neither the selling dealer nor LR are in a position to demand silence - so this is anecdote.
3. Where's your facts for saying "...higher percentage of failures than most makes..." LR do not make the turbo chargers and they are not a unique design so the m.t.b.f rate has no reason to be statistically significantly higher in a LR than any other installation - unless you have the data? Even within the skewed sample of Forum members the incidents are a v.small number. Additionally the premiums for a warranty would be very much higher for a RRS than any other car of the same price range - which they aren't.

All of which is a bit beyond the direction of the OP's post.

The OPs thread has been totally hijacked  Gone but not forgotten, 2005 RRS SC first edition, BMW 2010 Z4,TVR Tamora, TVR Cerb, MERC SL 55 AMG, E46 M3, Z4, Jag S type R, Skyline R33 GTR 640 bhp, Evo FQ 400, L322 RR, X5, Lotus Esprit V8 twin turbo, Lotus Elise 135r, Nissan Murano, Honda S2000, 911, Boxster s...and a few more

Sorry

If a one man trader buys a sport for say 15k then a sells on for 19k which includes a warranty.

Then the sport gets a fault and the warranty says the faults not covered, the buyers wants to return the car within the 30 days, then the dealer still had the 19k which the buyer gave him? (Providing he has his head screwed on) but he also has the profit to work with too.

To get back on track I'd buy from a one man trader infact I normally buy private.

I bit of a dig around the internet and companies house records have come up with this:
Station Garage
Station Garage, Station Approach
HP16 9AZ Great Missenden
Buckinghamshire
Phone:
01494 890156Fax:
01494 868666
Website:
www.kars.co.uk

So the website is different to the one the Autotrader takes you to. I think he is a "genuine" dealer but if you put www.kars.co.ok reviews into google he has some bad feedback. I would personally not deal with this company on the face if it. Hope this helps a little.... 2011 RRS 3.0TDV6 HSE Santorini Black, black leather, 22" Calibre Altus black / polished wheels, full colour coded.