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wilf



Member Since: 08 Nov 2012
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Range to "oil service required" plummets

I spotted the "range to oil service" was plummeting on my MY16 RRS, shortly after the last service 4.5k miles ago.

It sat at 5k for a couple of weeks, then suddenly dropped to zero at the end of last week and I got the "service required" messages.

My usage pattern has not changed since I bought the car (it quite happily did 16k miles for the first service and 32k for the second). I have done a few long distance trips since the second service, and my usual commute (not urban) is c25 miles. Mileage now is 36.5k.

There is a JLR "Service Compliance Notification" out (ref JLRP00100) that shows how MY 16 - 17 vehicles fitted with Ingenium 2.0 diesels or the 3.0V6 diesel have a problem - allegedly to do with oil dilution by fuel due to a DPF regen issue. Worth a read.

Not just RR Sports then, but Jag XEs, X260 XFs, and F Paces, too. Also Disco Sports and Ewoks.

Called my local Dealer - can't get it in until Jan 18th, they insisted it was safe to continue to drive without fear of engine damage - " a software problem sir".

I will draw off a sample and see if it smells of fuel today. I haven't noticed any drop in mpg, so doubt there have been multiple failed regens. If it does smell of fuel I will call LR Assist. (it didn't so I didn't)

NB - the service bulletin recommends free oil and filter changes for MY 16 - 17 vehicles if the car has done less than 75% of the "recommended service interval" mileage, and ditto with a charged full service if >90%.

I am concerned that this won't get sorted by a simple software update, as the service bulletin seems to indicate that JLR have decided DPF regens take longer on 3.0V6 diesels, with greater periods/amounts of exhaust stroke fuel injection, and the need for more frequent oil/filter changes will be a permanent feature.

AdBlue mileage is unaffected - lots of range yet.

We'll see. MY2016 HSE D SDV6

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Post #544707 Wed Jan 03 2018 8:08pm
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riverblanche



Member Since: 11 Jun 2011
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I have only just got pasted watching for the DEF to Start going down Laughing

happy to say the oil service counter has been steadily going down, no where near the low miles we actually do, but the miles should be near by the end of March when it is due on time.

it must have dropped 4000 when we have only done about 1500 miles

Thumbs Up Corris HSE Dynamic 2016

Always pick up stick in the middle !!

Post #544710 Wed Jan 03 2018 8:25pm
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wilf



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This car must be female, it changes it's mind so often. Noticed the "service required" reminder had disappeared this morning, checked the "range to oil service" and it has gone up to 3500 miles!

Who wrote this software, Mickey Mouse? MY2016 HSE D SDV6

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Post #545571 Thu Jan 11 2018 9:13pm
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Paulcp



Member Since: 18 Apr 2013
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Have a read through the "Service Interval" and "Oil analysis " on this section of the DS forum

https://www.discosportforums.co.uk/viewforum.php?f=17

Only affects certain models of the 2.0 Ingenium and 3.0v6d and is all down to a massive design cock up by LR. Plenty of info on there to show what the design cock up is.

Post #545661 Fri Jan 12 2018 4:06pm
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wilf



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Wow

198 pages on that first thread, never going to have the time to wade through that! MY2016 HSE D SDV6

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Post #545781 Sun Jan 14 2018 8:05am
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wilf



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Well, a software update (even though it had three last August to supposedly cure this issue) - to do with the instrument cluster I understand (waiting for the paperwork to see what it was).

Oil allegedly tested for fuel dilution and pronounced OK, so not changed.,

I have my own sample being tested independently................ MY2016 HSE D SDV6

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Post #546386 Sat Jan 20 2018 9:43pm
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RRSTDV8



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United Kingdom 2008 Range Rover Sport TDV8 HSE Stornoway Grey

From a quick flick through those threads, it appears that JLR's response is to update the diesel dilution algorithm so it doesn't flag up an oil change so often. Sounds like the same attitude from other issues - the engines will almost certainly survive to 3 years and then fall out of JLR's warranty responsibility and in to the hands of third parties. Third parties will, presumably, find ways to avoid paying for engine failures caused by oil dilution. The result: JLR owners left high and dry.

One wonders how many years it will be before JLR is known for really problematic engines in the way they used to be known for bad electrics. Short termism by corporate big shots... 2012 SDV6
2008 TDV8 - it's a labour of love

Post #546403 Sun Jan 21 2018 10:18am
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Paulcp



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@RRSTDV8, you've got it spot on

@wilf, you've done the right thing getting an independent oil test. Too many reports on the DS forum of dealers refusal to accept the situation and perform an oil change even though LR are picking up the bill

I bought a DS in Sept 2016, minimum distance driven is not less than 20 miles per journey and I do quite a few 400 mile return trips. LR try to tell me that the reason why I needed an oil change due to oil dilution every 7500 miles was down to my "driving style" but can't tell me what "driving style" is acceptable. No response when I mentioned misleading statements in their brochure and mis-selling of 21000 mile service intervals.

DS was sold last week before residuals drop to GM levels and, after the problems LR caused me with the previous RRS, it is likely to be my last LR product for some time. At least whilst they continue to demonstrate contempt towards customers.

Post #546452 Sun Jan 21 2018 8:47pm
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