shmoogle wrote:

You don't get MSports in the US? Why the hell not? They sell more MSports here than SEs by a long chalk...

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They are indeed. This is why you can bag a bargain in a second hand 5-series SE - nobody really wants them. 

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shmoogle wrote:

You don't get MSports in the US? Why the hell not? They sell more MSports here than SEs by a long chalk...

BMW USA made the call not to sell the M Sport packages here in the USA. You can buy the M-Aero Kit and get the bodywork only, but the M-Sport interior, shifter, wheels, etc. you would have to get yourself.

I guess they felt that the M-Sports if available here in the 'States would somehow detract from the image of the M3/M5 somehow.

To me it was a bone-headed decision. I would have gotten a 5 series years ago if the M-Sport package was available here. 
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I have to say though (From personal experience) MSport suspension is b y firm/crashy!

Interestingly, I noticed when switching to Michelin Pilot Sport II tyres the grip went up massively, but ride got firmer still! Runner up - 2009 Best Avatar Award
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The suspension can be a bit stiff, but some of that comes from the runflats that they stick on the MSport 18s!  

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shmoogle wrote:

The suspension can be a bit stiff, but some of that comes from the runflats that they stick on the MSport 18s!

On 5's they fit run-flats but on my 2003 3Sport they weren't. Bloody firm all the same! Runner up - 2009 Best Avatar Award
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Ah yes... forgot you had a 3! The ironic thing is that on the 19in MSport alloys, they put normal tyres and the ride returns to normal (ok, still very firm, but not boneshaking). 

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