Hi markymarkf,

May I have your impressions updated?

I'm thinking about a replacement for my HSE MY16.
I'm very disappointed for the FIO issue even if the problem was recognised as under warranty and no oil change was be charged.
I will use the car for a daily commute of about 70Km (45 miles) hence I will absolutely need a little bit of petrol every day.
My doubt is about what really happens when battery is drained.

Does the 4 cyl engine have enough torque ?
Will the consumption be the same as my diesel, on drained battery (I'm on 9l/100Km or 31mpg) ?
I will have about 30/40Km a day in that condition (empty battery), mainly country roads, little towns or highway.

Thanks a lot, the real experience of a real owner is real gold...

Hi

I had the P400e for 1 Year and 40.000km.

Here my answers:

Does the 4 cyl engine have enough torque ?
/ No, its not similar to the V6 diesel torque, but it is still enough power to move on, it just feels not perfect matching to that kind of car.

Will the consumption be the same as my diesel, on drained battery (I'm on 9l/100Km or 31mpg) ?
/ No, it is around 11-14 liters 100 km, depends on your driving style, in average I had 12,5 liters.

Its all about charging as much as possible, then you can be happy with that kind of car...

Best
René 2012 RRS HSE SDV6, BOURNVILLE 12/12-10/14
2015 RRS DYNAMIC HYBRID, CAUSEWAY GREY 1/15-7/18
2018 RRS DYNAMIC P400e, BRITISH RACING GREEN 8/18-8/19
2019 RRS DYNAMIC P525, SILICON SILVER 8/19-

Thank you Renè,

it's not a good news.

But is there an RRS (diesel) that does not suffer from the FIO problem?
Or should I to trust to the well-known JLR document?
Document in which they say that only the Velar with 4 cyl ingenium diesel engine is well designed and hence it is the only model completely immune to oil dilution.

Please help me, or I have to return to German cars...

I was in a similar situation and bought a P400, 3 litre petrol. I'm very pleased with it, fuel consumption 23/27 mpg. Tim
RRS sold and replaced with a Skoda Kodiaq after appalling RR Dealer experience and LR inability to supply new cars in any sort of reasonable time frame..

Great car Tim,

probably one of the best spec you can choose.

However here, in Italy, it is taxed in an absurd way.
Only for the annual owner tax the amount due is over 3k euros...

Does anyone know if the MY20 SDV6 is reliable in terms of oil dilution ?

fabiofranchi wrote:

Thank you Renè,

it's not a good news.

But is there an RRS (diesel) that does not suffer from the FIO problem?
Or should I to trust to the well-known JLR document?
Document in which they say that only the Velar with 4 cyl ingenium diesel engine is well designed and hence it is the only model completely immune to oil dilution.

Please help me, or I have to return to German cars...

I just buy the extended warranty, so I can go 150.000km / 5 Years with risk on LR side. That’s the only way to be safe with the „modern“ tech cars...

Best
René 2012 RRS HSE SDV6, BOURNVILLE 12/12-10/14
2015 RRS DYNAMIC HYBRID, CAUSEWAY GREY 1/15-7/18
2018 RRS DYNAMIC P400e, BRITISH RACING GREEN 8/18-8/19
2019 RRS DYNAMIC P525, SILICON SILVER 8/19-

it really does depend on a few factors

your driving style

Your access to charging the car

the car works well for myself as i only commute around 5 mile round trip per day for work. but like i said driving style plays a huge part in your consumption . if you drive it like you stole it your battery will drain very quickly and you will return poor MPG

Putting the car into dynamic mode and knocking the gear selector into sport mode the car will really move but your MPG will really suffer

take for example some of my journeys below


distance 34.5 miles, 4 miles of that covered on EV my MPG was 28.7

distance 6 miles, 5.1 of that covered on EV my MPG was 188.3

distance 16.2 miles, 4.7 of that covered on EV my MPG was 39.2

distance 15.8 miles, 7.6 of that covered on EV my MPG was 62.3

distance 18.0 miles 0 of that covered on EV my MPG was 31.5

work commute 1.7 miles 1.3 of that covered on EV my MPG was 111.9 if i drive steady i will do the full journey on EV only

distance 2.1 miles 0 covered on EV my MPG was 16.6

as you can see some very different results all depending on the car being charged and how you drive it.

for me the P400e is a good fit given what i need. However i may change my mind once i have drove the 300 mile journey too see my family in newcastle. in reality i am expecting to get about 28 MPG on this yourney compared to my 34/35 MPG in my old SDV6


As for the battery you will run out of EV power but the battery will never go to 0% and has a slight self charge system. this allows the car to retain its 405 BHP.

I agree it is not as quick of the mark as the SDV6 but not enough for me to feel it is too underpowered.

i would say to anyone with a longer than 30 mile round trip commute the P400e may not be the best choice. As in reality EV will only cover around 20 miles on a full charge. while a full charge on a domestic house plug can take around 8 hours.

I do have mixed feeling about the car however i can say the facelift is a great improvement visualy than my old my 17.5. Also with the P400e the standard spec is better than the SDV6 you get the upgrded sound system and a fixed pano roof.

i also looked at monthly costs too. i PCP all my cars as i never keep them for more than 2 years. But when looking spec for spec against an SDV6 the cost difference was £130 per month more for the SDV6. so i feel there is no right or wrong answer here its all about your personal preference.

Cheers

Mark SVR Carbon Edition in Estoril Blue MY 21.5

P400e HSE Dynamic full on black with black pack, Meridian surround sound, Fixed Pano roof.


Past MY17 SDV6 HSE Dynamic Yulong White and ivory leather.

Thanks Mark,

a really huge mass of valuable information.

Honestly I'm still confused, but only because if someone could swear to me that the current diesel RRS no longer has the problem of fuel in oil I would have already taken an HSE Dynamic.

I love the drive sensation of my RRS and I desperately look for a valid reason to stay in the family.
Even because there are a lot of brand new X5 just around here...

Anyway, I want to thank you again. You have confirmed my thought on PHEV.
It's a great car, but it all depends on the routes and driving style.

I'll probably flip a coin ...

Renaco wrote:

fabiofranchi wrote:

Thank you Renè,

it's not a good news.

But is there an RRS (diesel) that does not suffer from the FIO problem?
Or should I to trust to the well-known JLR document?
Document in which they say that only the Velar with 4 cyl ingenium diesel engine is well designed and hence it is the only model completely immune to oil dilution.

Please help me, or I have to return to German cars...

I just buy the extended warranty, so I can go 150.000km / 5 Years with risk on LR side. That’s the only way to be safe with the „modern“ tech cars...

Best
René

100% true

Which detailed did you use for the prep ?
Are you saying the car went straight to the detailed ?
How much did they charge ?

N N

E46 M3
X6
2015 RRS HSE dynamic
2018 RRS Autobiography
2019 SVR

fabiofranchi wrote:

Thanks Mark,

a really huge mass of valuable information.

Honestly I'm still confused, but only because if someone could swear to me that the current diesel RRS no longer has the problem of fuel in oil I would have already taken an HSE Dynamic.

I love the drive sensation of my RRS and I desperately look for a valid reason to stay in the family.
Even because there are a lot of brand new X5 just around here...

Anyway, I want to thank you again. You have confirmed my thought on PHEV.
It's a great car, but it all depends on the routes and driving style.

I'll probably flip a coin ...

Good advice jimbg.