Like it or not BMW produce a nice motor in the X5 and now that it is going to get the new high torque triple turbo diesel engines, I'm starting to look at our engine range and think we are coming out second best.

The important figures for the M power 3.0-litre straight-six diesel are amazing:

381 bhp
545 lb/ft of torque (delivered between 2-3k rpm)
0-60mph in 5.4 secs

and with those amazing performance you still get:

165g/km
37.7mpg on the combined cycle

What have Landrover got in the wings to compete with these?

They do make a great engine BMW, shame the rest of the car is so bland! SVR 2018 in Santorini Black.

the new X5 is a great car, I had one for 3 weeks. I wouldn't swap my RRS for it though.

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2010 TDV8 HSE - ooo laa laaaaaaaaa
2007 TDV8 HSE - superb car and very reliable
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2012 - dearly departed, sadly missed.. to return in late 2013 with a new TDV8!

I have just swapped aBMW 335d for my RRS and agree on most points but combined mpg is wrong sorry. I used to get average of 32 gallon across approx 15k miles per anum and the new engine you mention can't be both more powerful and more frugal I would argue.

I agree that the engine was superb, even with only two turbos and I even enjoyed the 335 after owning the M3 V8 prior.

Since moving onto the forum I have been increasingly confused with the posts questioning speed and acceleration of the RRS as these two factors were never in my mind re the RRS as the RRS is not about these two and so I would not ompare an M X5 or 6 as its lighter and designed less as a 4x4 and more for a Chesea Cruiser. TDV8 HSE, Remap (+45 BHP + 100 Nm), Taylored sport exhaust system by Pipe Werx
20" HST alloys, Privacy glass, Side steps, Xenon Adaptive Lighting, Adaptive cruise control

Only worry with BMW now is reliability, new models seem to all have problems. The Indy who serviced my m3 was starting to pull his hair out with the amount of problems which to be honest made the RRS look good!

I just think most modern German cars are relying more on their name and the quality is not as good as it used to be. RRS TDV8 HSE 2007- JAVA Black/Black interior,
UK BMW M3 CSL SB- now sold
1968 Innocenti mini

sherlock wrote:

the new engine you mention can't be both more powerful and more frugal I would argue.

Supacat wrote:

sherlock wrote:

the new engine you mention can't be both more powerful and more frugal I would argue.

Why not?

Land Rover improved both with the 3.0 TDV6 and the 4.4 TDV8 betters the 3.6 TDV8.

There's no doubting that new technology is making improvements in both simultaneously, albeit that there is a certain amount of "gaming" of the combined cycle figures with such things as stop/start technology.

3.0 TDV6 is both more powerful and more economical than the 2.7 TDV6 it replaces

But this is still not a like for like comparison. The point made was that an engine can be made both more powerful and more efficient, not that you can increase the capacity to improve one or the the other. TDV8 HSE, Remap (+45 BHP + 100 Nm), Taylored sport exhaust system by Pipe Werx
20" HST alloys, Privacy glass, Side steps, Xenon Adaptive Lighting, Adaptive cruise control

bottom line is... we were all aware of BMW's claims of efficiency.... and power... and we all still went straight ahead and bought what we bought......and for good reason too....
I don't want a characterless car with little style.... oh but its efficient... RRS all the way...
RR will be upping the ante when they introduce the hybrid ! 2014.5 SDV6 AB Dynamic ... Fuji /Santorini Pan roof and 22's
2013 Porsche Boxster S 3.4
2014 Audi A3 S line Quattro
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andman wrote:

bottom line is... we were all aware of BMW's claims of efficiency.... and power... and we all still went straight ahead and bought what we bought......RRS
RR will be upping the ante when they introduce the hybrid !

 TDV8 HSE, Remap (+45 BHP + 100 Nm), Taylored sport exhaust system by Pipe Werx
20" HST alloys, Privacy glass, Side steps, Xenon Adaptive Lighting, Adaptive cruise control

i want LR to stop fannying about and put the 4.4 TDV8 into the RRS! ============
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2007 TDV8 HSE - superb car and very reliable
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2012 - dearly departed, sadly missed.. to return in late 2013 with a new TDV8!

good shout that man.

we have an X6 at work at the minute and ive been playing in it quite a bit and i have to admit.... its an absolutely cracking car with a great engine.

^^^ That's as maybe, but I assume your eyes are hurting after having to look at it that much  ON THE WAY: BMW F21 M140i
MERCEDES GL350 - Metallic Navy Blue w/Grey interior

GOING: BMW F31 335D MSport+ xDrive Touring
GONE: Land Rover Discovery 4 HSE - Stornaway Grey w/Black Interior (wish we'd kept it )
GONE: BMW F10 520D MSport - Carbon Black
GONE:MY12 RRS SDV6 HSE Sumatra/Ivory/Grand Black Privacy glass

The main reason the 4.4 TDV8 is more ecconmical then the 3.6 is that 8 speed box

That top gear is sooooo high it's barely ticking over on the motorway...and when I took delivery of the courtecy vouge SE the mpg was at 29mpg (trip from birmingham) but once on my usual commute of B and A roads the mpg dropped back down to 25-26

8 speed with the 3.0 TDV6 must be epic  RRS gone
Audi SQ5...Gone Audi Q7 S-Line 240 3.0TDI Gone
Audi A6 Allroad Sport 270 3.0TDI