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Tim in Scotland



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That is cheaper than they are here. I had to take the Mini back yesterday morning. I was very impressed with it - when it did have to switch between power supplies it was so smooth that I couldn’t tell, engine noise and vibration from the 3 pot 1.5 is very very well insulated from the cabin. My only concerns for ownership are a) what is the expected life of the hybrid battery - for sure they will not last for ever and I’m pretty sure that they will not come cheap and b) If this is to be my daily runner then for longer trips maybe running for hours with a 1.5ltr engine will not be so economical and the car’s fuel tank is not very big, stopping for 3 hours every 26 miles to plug in and recharge the battery would make for a very long trip........ even though the car will recharge the battery on the move it doesn’t boost the charge enough to fully charge the battery. Maybe there’s life in a large displacement diesel for more than just commuting type trips after all.......... at least with a reasonably priced PHEV my fears of range anxiety have been dispelled with the mini, I have proved to myself that for 90% of my motoring a PHEV would be a great car for me - one thing for sure the RRS PHEV is way way overpriced for the compromises it will present. LR should be concentrating on an Evoque or Disco Sport PHEV and keep the cost in line with the mid range models of those cars, an RRS PHEV will have an extremely limited market at prices starting at more than £75,000, it needs to start at less than £55,000 to have any appeal. My reason for saying that is that there is no way a 2.0ltr high output engine will give the RRS any sort of performance when running in petrol only mode, the car is just too heavy for such a small engine when you add >150kg of additional battery weight. 2018 Melting Silver Mini Countryman PHEV - a test car before Seeing if I could go to totally Petrol/Diesel free motoring
2015MY Corris Grey SDv6 HSE Dynamic, the best car I have ever owned, totally reliable only a cou0le of rattles in 3 years, now no longer in my care
Also in my garage is a 1996 TDi300 Defender 90 County HT made into a fake CSW

Post #540193 Sun Nov 05 2017 10:29am
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muddywheels
Milk Float Man


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Mitsubishi phev starts at £31800 here but you can get plenty of discount off that Thumbs Up

Batteries are covered by 8 years warranty on Mitsy and 5 on Lexus - not sure about Mini or LR Confused 

NOW GONE

MY17 Lexus RC 300h F Sport
MY16 DS
MY10/13 RRSs - Mini One
FL2s
Jag X-type
D2s - MGTF
FL1s
Landcruiser, Mondeo, Escort, Orion, Astra GTE, Xr3i, Renault 5/19/18, Fiesta 1300S, Allegro, Avenger, Honda MTX, Yamaha FS1E

Post #540197 Sun Nov 05 2017 10:45am
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muddywheels
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If I'm doing long trips I use petrol but I could use a 20 mins rapid 80% charge on chademo while stopping for coffee/loo if I wanted

42 mpg without electric is good enough for me though long distance - I would expect mini to do better being smaller 

NOW GONE

MY17 Lexus RC 300h F Sport
MY16 DS
MY10/13 RRSs - Mini One
FL2s
Jag X-type
D2s - MGTF
FL1s
Landcruiser, Mondeo, Escort, Orion, Astra GTE, Xr3i, Renault 5/19/18, Fiesta 1300S, Allegro, Avenger, Honda MTX, Yamaha FS1E

Post #540198 Sun Nov 05 2017 10:49am
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warkman



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England 2006 Range Rover Sport TDV6 HSE Zambezi Silver

Johnski wrote:
Unfortunately heated front screens on cars are a Ford Patent, which luckily LR and some other cars have fitted due to Ford ownership or envolvement, but they still get paid for its use by other manufacturers.


I thought the patent had now run out? Just bought a RRS 06 MY HSE TDV6 136,000 miles, to be a second car to my gorgeous 65 plate Volvo XC60 D5 R-Design lux nav

Post #540199 Sun Nov 05 2017 10:59am
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AidanTDV8



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From memory BMW are putting an 8 year guarentee on the Hybrid batteries, so i'd imagine its the same for the PHEV

You defintly wouldnt go X5 PHEV? I've driven it and its very impressive, however has a limited range of approx 22miles on pure electric, so less than the Countryman

Post #540392 Wed Nov 08 2017 11:58pm
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GodivaNige



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England 2009 Range Rover Sport TDV8 HSE Buckingham Blue

warkman wrote:
Johnski wrote:
Unfortunately heated front screens on cars are a Ford Patent, which luckily LR and some other cars have fitted due to Ford ownership or envolvement, but they still get paid for its use by other manufacturers.


I thought the patent had now run out?


Yes, a long time ago. Heated screens like the one on my previously owned Touareg, are available to all manufacturers with no patent penalties.

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Tim in Scotland



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Well having been very impressed by the Countryman PHEV which suits my needs well and it is suitably low enough price to fit in with my reduced circumstances when I become a pensioner as I will be able to clear off any finance before retirement which wouldn’t be the case with an RRS that is twice the price........ also a Mini fits into my garage with room to spare whereas NO Land Rover product can get through the door because of their huge (and unnecessary) width. With a 150 minute recharge time from empty to full I also wouldn’t need an extra cost rapid charger at home. So, until I have had a test drive of the forthcoming Jaguar iPace (which I think will be over priced and too expensive for my reduced finances) the Mini has gone to the top of my RRS replacement list. I have had a 1 hour test drive in a Golf Plug in Hybrid........... it is impressive but the Mini is better as it also has AWD. I’m still waiting for the local Mitsubishi dealer to contact me with a date when their demo car might be available - 3 weeks after contacting them....... 2018 Melting Silver Mini Countryman PHEV - a test car before Seeing if I could go to totally Petrol/Diesel free motoring
2015MY Corris Grey SDv6 HSE Dynamic, the best car I have ever owned, totally reliable only a cou0le of rattles in 3 years, now no longer in my care
Also in my garage is a 1996 TDi300 Defender 90 County HT made into a fake CSW

Post #540401 Thu Nov 09 2017 10:03am
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muddywheels
Milk Float Man


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Thats unacceptable Tim - Leeds had me in one next day and offered massive discount before I even went in Shocked

The dealership owner (Robin Luscombe) also posts his Mobile number on his website - I guess that's why they are consistently rated in Top 10 for UK Mitsubishi Thumbs Up

Leeds is nearer you than LPR Whistle 

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MY17 Lexus RC 300h F Sport
MY16 DS
MY10/13 RRSs - Mini One
FL2s
Jag X-type
D2s - MGTF
FL1s
Landcruiser, Mondeo, Escort, Orion, Astra GTE, Xr3i, Renault 5/19/18, Fiesta 1300S, Allegro, Avenger, Honda MTX, Yamaha FS1E

Post #540405 Thu Nov 09 2017 11:17am
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Tim in Scotland



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2013 Range Rover Sport SDV6 HSE Stornoway Grey

Local mini dealer is closer than Leeds! If the local Mitsubishi dealer don’t want to impress me that’s their business, maybe they have no more allocation left to sell.......... 2018 Melting Silver Mini Countryman PHEV - a test car before Seeing if I could go to totally Petrol/Diesel free motoring
2015MY Corris Grey SDv6 HSE Dynamic, the best car I have ever owned, totally reliable only a cou0le of rattles in 3 years, now no longer in my care
Also in my garage is a 1996 TDi300 Defender 90 County HT made into a fake CSW

Post #540407 Thu Nov 09 2017 11:21am
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Tim in Scotland



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2013 Range Rover Sport SDV6 HSE Stornoway Grey

Just had a quote from the local mini dealers for a Countryman PHEV and some nice touches in the quote.......
Government contribution for buying a “greener car” gives me £2500 refund
First registration fee - £55-00
First year tax - £10.00
As total price of my spec is also a shade under £40k ( that is before the Govt payment of £2500) luxury car tax is a big fat ZERO even with all the additional toys that I have specced.
Biggest problem is the car is proving so popular that there are no build slots until February with delivery end of March on a factory build which isn’t a problem for me as my RRS PCP ends in April and I won’t need any car anyway from January through to late April and even if I do I can slum it in my Defender. It will,be interesting to see what they are going to offer as a part ex value on the Sport...... 2018 Melting Silver Mini Countryman PHEV - a test car before Seeing if I could go to totally Petrol/Diesel free motoring
2015MY Corris Grey SDv6 HSE Dynamic, the best car I have ever owned, totally reliable only a cou0le of rattles in 3 years, now no longer in my care
Also in my garage is a 1996 TDi300 Defender 90 County HT made into a fake CSW

Post #541612 Wed Nov 22 2017 4:25pm
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Tim in Scotland



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2013 Range Rover Sport SDV6 HSE Stornoway Grey

Well, with a heavy heart I ordered my first non LR car since 1996 today. 11 new and ex demo LR cars down the road and I have put a deposit down on a Mini Countryman PHEV and will ask for the deposit I put on an iPace back as it seems that the launch date might even have fallen back to late 2018/ early 2019..........
The spec of my Countryman is HUGE but still keeps it below the Rich Bastard car Tax limit (just) but it will be less than list as I get £2500 back from HMG for buying a 49grm/km emissions car, VED is £10pa and it’s little 1.5lt turbo petrol should see 60mpg in fossil fuel only mode ( Govt reckons 110mpg Rolling with laughter ) and the £2500 Money back will buy lots of petrol and pay for plenty of electric recharges from my home solar panels and even a few recharges from the public chargers. Only one small problem - no build slots are available before next April - Mini has been inundated with PHEV orders, also means no discounts.........
Dealership experience has also been great so far certainly as good as anything I have had from the 3 LR dealerships that I have dealt with (although the LR dealers offer better coffee!). The reasons for not going for another RRS or keeping my current one longer have been documented elsewhere on the forums, but put simply I cannot afford an RRS PHEV and the risk of the crankshaft failing on my current car and not having any warranty that covers it scares the sh*t out of me - if LR were prepared to admit a problem and cover that one component with the extended warranty then I would cancel my Countryman order and keep the Sport. I have been asked twice this week by friends about buying 2013 or 2014 SDv6 Discos and RRS’s and told them not to touch them as that one huge expense item isn’t covered by the used warranty.

I’m not abandoning the brand completely as I will still have my 21 year old 100% reliable, leaky and cold Defender for off-road fun. 2018 Melting Silver Mini Countryman PHEV - a test car before Seeing if I could go to totally Petrol/Diesel free motoring
2015MY Corris Grey SDv6 HSE Dynamic, the best car I have ever owned, totally reliable only a cou0le of rattles in 3 years, now no longer in my care
Also in my garage is a 1996 TDi300 Defender 90 County HT made into a fake CSW


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Post #541841 Sat Nov 25 2017 7:22pm
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Renaco



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I am sure you will love the Countryman PHEV!

April is a long wait, maybe we receive our PHEV vehicles at the same time, let’s share then here the first experiences of our 50% Milk-floaters... Wink

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Tim in Scotland



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It will be interesting to compare them and The Milk Float Mitsu 2018 Melting Silver Mini Countryman PHEV - a test car before Seeing if I could go to totally Petrol/Diesel free motoring
2015MY Corris Grey SDv6 HSE Dynamic, the best car I have ever owned, totally reliable only a cou0le of rattles in 3 years, now no longer in my care
Also in my garage is a 1996 TDi300 Defender 90 County HT made into a fake CSW

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Wales 2012 Range Rover Sport SDV6 HSE Lux Sumatra Black

I see Mitsubishi are in trouble under filing false figures and other finance/money offences, it currently seems to be a pattern for large companies. Whistle John

RRS MY12 SDV6 HSE. Sumatra Black/Ebony & Walnut + Dynamic Pack, + Cold Climate Pack + Memory Pack, Digital TV/DVD, Premium Leather, Cornering Lights, Cooler/Fridge Box, & most Options.

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Tim in Scotland



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BMW/Mini dealers are in good company with JLR Dealers for not communicating with clients so today I emailed the dealer and asked if there is any news about my order and that I have read on the Mini forums about all orders being cancelled and having to be re-ordered by the dealers due to spec changes for Mini’s 2018 model year cars. Having said I was not best pleased to read this and that if my order were to be pushed back I would be cancelling and going to the Lexus dealership next door to the mini dealership I had a long email with several attachments that were inter-office emails between BWM and the dealership regarding my order.............. a) the price of my car as ordered in November has gone up by over £1300 which a I was specced up to £39790 to void the £40,000 tax cliff face means that my car would be over the limit. The options in some of the packs I have specced have changed and the upgraded HK audio has become even higher spec and Apple Car Play is now included - they caused the price to rise. That has also had a knock on with the VED and as a result the dealership had to go into negotiation with BMW to avoid loosing me as a customer....... BMW / Mini has volunteered that they will cover the increase in tax and VED for the 1st 5 years and I will pay the price I signed for in November, no options will be deleted from my spec ( runs to 8 pages!) and because the dealer got in early with negotiations and told BMW of my peculiar overseas employment and vacations that they have guaranteed I will have one of the 1st 2018 MY Countryman PHEVs built - delivery is mid/late April now. So well impressed that the dealership sales team were right on the ball with renegotiating the deals on cars ordered at the same time as I ordered to avoid increased taxes (the main reason for going down in sizes and price after all) and they have one happy customer to boot. Roll on April 23rd......... 2018 Melting Silver Mini Countryman PHEV - a test car before Seeing if I could go to totally Petrol/Diesel free motoring
2015MY Corris Grey SDv6 HSE Dynamic, the best car I have ever owned, totally reliable only a cou0le of rattles in 3 years, now no longer in my care
Also in my garage is a 1996 TDi300 Defender 90 County HT made into a fake CSW

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